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05-14-2010 #1
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Team Stats (yay data mining ze armory)
(Warning: Big post here...lots of data pulled from armory and stuff...may be interesting to some...maybe not to all...sorry.)
So I'm a gigantic computer nerd IRL and work professionally with data...and I got bored so over the last couple of days I wrote an application to pull down tons of information from the armory...I'm still expanding this but I've gotten enough to put together some interesting team stats...I'm going to present them here just as a show and tell and to see what people think.
I'm posting this in 5v5 because there's no great place for it and the stats are for a 5v5 team...I don't know how many people actually read this section but hopefully they will see it.
Our team is Ele, MM, Unholy, DIsc, Holy... (We're considering changing the DK to an affi lock.) The data only covers the last 86 games because before that we had a different comp and so it's less relevant.
My "feeling" as we've played games is that our performance ebbs and flows with the hunter's performance...when he plays well we win, when he gets shutdown bad, we lose. Consequently I've felt like we play well on maps like Ruins and bad on maps like Dalaran (where they can LoS him very hard). I wanted to see if the data supports this:
So you can see we're 10-1 on Ruins and 13-6 on Blade's Edge...both of which are good hunter maps...and 10-12 on Dalaran, our worst map. =( Clearly we need to abuse fear bombs and thunderstorms more on that map to get them out into the open.Code:Map W L GP Win% AL ALW ALL ================================================== All Maps 50 36 86 58.1 129 126 135 Blade's Edge Arena 13 6 19 68.4 124 111 154 Dalaran Sewers 10 12 22 45.5 115 106 123 Nagrand Arena 8 9 17 47.1 159 195 128 Ruins of Lordaeron 10 1 11 90.9 116 111 171 The Ring of Valor 9 8 17 52.9 132 125 141
Surprising to me was Nagrand...I would have expected us to do better...but I think it's another map where the enemies easily LoS and our hunter and DK aren't the best at using LoS and get blown up particularly on Nagrand. I think in general we end up pulling the healers into bad spots but we tend to play aggressively to try to dissuade our opponents from going on the hunter.
For the curious, the AL, ALW, and ALL columns are average length of the games. All games, wins, and losses respectively. The minute of preparation is removed from the times. I was wondering if we had particularly longer or shorter games on different maps to see if that would tell me anything...but I don't see anything of particular value there.
Next, I wondered what our damage looked like...since pure damage can vary so greatly in a game depending on length/comp/etc...I wasn't expecting to find much here... I went through a few iterations and finally settled on a few metrics that seemed at least somewhat reasonable. I looked at average damage done per minute in wins (WAD) and losses (LAD) as well as "damage done per damage taken". My feeling has been that our hunter does very little damage when they are on him...and in many ways the same of the DK. So I was hoping that would play out in the numbers.
(DW is the DK, ET is the hunter, IH/NI are the healers, and VY is the ele.)Code:Name WAD WDDPDT WD LAD LDDPDT LD% ================================================== DW 71,283 9.654 0 51,190 1.845 71.8 ET 45,656 2.292 0 22,263 0.722 48.8 IH 4,809 0.286 1 443 0.016 9.2 NI 1,962 0.163 0 647 0.029 33.0 VY 59,160 3.109 0 27,249 0.924 46.1
Also in this table is the "times died in a game we won" in the WD column...as you can see...we only won one game when someone died...and that was when our priest died.
As for the damage, all of us seem to less damage when we lose by a decent margin. I was very surprised by the DK's falloff...he does 9.654 damage per point of damage taken in wins...but only 1.845 in losses...that took me by surprise and I have no great explanation. The DDPDT numbers are lower in both for the hunter than for the elem though, which seems to support our idea of aggressively trying to keep the other team from going on the hunter since he seems to be shutdown more easily and completely than the others.
It wasn't exactly the pattern I expected and wasn't really as insightful as I hoped...so I did a map-by-map analysis with the same data...here it is with the healers removed:
The hunter sees his biggest falloffs of DDPDT in wins vs losses on Dalaran and RoV...this makes sense because if they go on him on either map (or use LoS well on Dalaran), he will end up doing almost no damage. The hunter has his highest damage map (in wins) as Blade's Edge which should come as no surprise because we move aggressively to control the bridge so he can just tee off on people.Code:Map Name WAD WDDPDT WD LAD LDDPDT LD% ========================================================================== Blade's Edge Arena DW 74,891 19.307 0 47,553 1.811 63.5 Dalaran Sewers DW 63,369 8.089 0 51,761 1.856 81.7 Nagrand Arena DW 72,625 7.205 0 55,959 1.961 77.1 Ruins of Lordaeron DW 75,594 13.431 0 59,766 2.765 79.1 The Ring of Valor DW 68,011 7.192 0 47,267 1.634 69.5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blade's Edge Arena ET 53,555 2.548 0 24,080 0.940 45.0 Dalaran Sewers ET 43,899 2.689 0 17,116 0.553 39.0 Nagrand Arena ET 42,580 1.862 0 22,393 0.885 52.6 Ruins of Lordaeron ET 42,181 1.426 0 30,707 0.663 72.8 The Ring of Valor ET 44,882 5.440 0 26,105 0.682 58.2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blade's Edge Arena VY 62,924 2.442 0 21,616 0.854 34.4 Dalaran Sewers VY 65,919 5.017 0 23,465 0.867 35.6 Nagrand Arena VY 53,554 2.432 0 25,309 0.671 47.3 Ruins of Lordaeron VY 60,073 3.907 0 49,692 3.620 82.7 The Ring of Valor VY 54,800 3.556 0 35,416 1.180 64.6
The shaman also sees a bad falloff in damage on Dalaran...clearly that's a bad map for us and we need to work on it. The shaman plays ruins very well and the data supports that observation.
All 3 DPSers are on their low end in damage on Nagrand...clearly we don't play that map very well either...although in the last few sessions we've changed our mindset about that map and it's gone much better.
So then I got to thinking about our opponents and wondering where our strengths and weaknesses are...first of all, I look at the numbers of healers on the enemy teams:
First of all, we have improved our play against triple healer greatly...if I looked back further (including time before we had the DK), our record was 3-10 or something like that against triple healer. So I'm glad we've turned that around. While only 3 games is hardly a sufficient data set, one thing to note is that our average win against triple healer lasts 96 seconds...the one loss was 185 seconds...win early or go home?Code:Heal DPS W L GP Win% AL ALW ALL ============================================= 1 4 9 11 20 45.0 97 93 100 2 3 38 24 62 61.3 142 138 149 3 2 2 1 3 66.7 126 96 185
We're not as strong as we should be against single healer...those teams seem to magnify the survivability problems of some of our players, but I guess 9 and 11 isn't bad. To no surprise, also short games against single healer.
Since the comps don't say too much interesting, I took a look at the classes we were playing against. Maybe every team with a rogue is good against us...or every team with a mage. In this data, for hybrid classes, if they did more damage than healing, they're a DPS.
Wow...3 and 13 against teams with a shadowpriest...fml. Of interest is that we do well against druid healers (15-3), shaman healers (20-10), priest healers (30-16), but worse against paladin healers (27-33). The easiest class to interrupt and silence...I would have expected our best against holy pallies.Code:Class W L GP Win% ================================= DeathKnight 13 5 18 72.2 Druid (DPS) 8 3 11 72.7 Druid (Heal) 15 3 18 83.3 Hunter 20 6 26 76.9 Mage 23 19 42 54.8 Paladin (DPS) 13 3 16 81.3 Paladin (Heal) 27 33 60 45.0 Priest (DPS) 3 13 16 18.8 Priest (Heal) 30 16 46 65.2 Rogue 15 13 28 53.6 Shaman (DPS) 16 26 42 38.1 Shaman (Heal) 20 10 30 66.7 Warlock 24 15 39 61.5 Warrior 19 13 32 59.4
Also it seems we destroy DPS paladins, DPS druids, hunters, and DKs. DPS shamans (could be either ele or enh) are bad for us.
Lastly...I wanted to the same analysis per map...this is a big table but I'll present it anyway:
Blah...0 and 10 against DPS shamans on Dalaran...they apparently thunderstorm much much better than we do. Also 0 and 6 against shadowpriests on Dalran. On Ring of Valor, 1-6 against DPS shamans and 4-8 against holy pallies...wow...we gotta do better than that...Code:Map Class W L GP Win% ======================================================= Blade's Edge Arena DeathKnight 1 0 1 100.0 Blade's Edge Arena Druid (DPS) 2 0 2 100.0 Blade's Edge Arena Druid (Heal) 3 0 3 100.0 Blade's Edge Arena Hunter 7 0 7 100.0 Blade's Edge Arena Mage 8 6 14 57.1 Blade's Edge Arena Paladin (DPS) 3 0 3 100.0 Blade's Edge Arena Paladin (Heal) 8 5 13 61.5 Blade's Edge Arena Priest (DPS) 2 2 4 50.0 Blade's Edge Arena Priest (Heal) 7 4 11 63.6 Blade's Edge Arena Rogue 5 3 8 62.5 Blade's Edge Arena Shaman (DPS) 6 5 11 54.5 Blade's Edge Arena Shaman (Heal) 4 1 5 80.0 Blade's Edge Arena Warlock 7 3 10 70.0 Blade's Edge Arena Warrior 2 1 3 66.7 ------------------------------------------------------- Dalaran Sewers DeathKnight 3 1 4 75.0 Dalaran Sewers Druid (DPS) 3 1 4 75.0 Dalaran Sewers Druid (Heal) 4 2 6 66.7 Dalaran Sewers Hunter 4 1 5 80.0 Dalaran Sewers Mage 6 7 13 46.2 Dalaran Sewers Paladin (DPS) 3 0 3 100.0 Dalaran Sewers Paladin (Heal) 5 11 16 31.3 Dalaran Sewers Priest (DPS) 0 6 6 0.0 Dalaran Sewers Priest (Heal) 5 5 10 50.0 Dalaran Sewers Rogue 2 4 6 33.3 Dalaran Sewers Shaman (DPS) 0 10 10 0.0 Dalaran Sewers Shaman (Heal) 6 2 8 75.0 Dalaran Sewers Warlock 6 5 11 54.5 Dalaran Sewers Warrior 3 4 7 42.9 ------------------------------------------------------- Nagrand Arena DeathKnight 2 1 3 66.7 Nagrand Arena Druid (DPS) 0 2 2 0.0 Nagrand Arena Druid (Heal) 2 0 2 100.0 Nagrand Arena Hunter 3 3 6 50.0 Nagrand Arena Mage 2 3 5 40.0 Nagrand Arena Paladin (DPS) 2 1 3 66.7 Nagrand Arena Paladin (Heal) 5 8 13 38.5 Nagrand Arena Priest (DPS) 1 2 3 33.3 Nagrand Arena Priest (Heal) 5 5 10 50.0 Nagrand Arena Rogue 2 3 5 40.0 Nagrand Arena Shaman (DPS) 4 5 9 44.4 Nagrand Arena Shaman (Heal) 4 4 8 50.0 Nagrand Arena Warlock 3 4 7 42.9 Nagrand Arena Warrior 5 4 9 55.6 ------------------------------------------------------- Ruins of Lordaeron DeathKnight 1 0 1 100.0 Ruins of Lordaeron Druid (DPS) 1 0 1 100.0 Ruins of Lordaeron Druid (Heal) 1 0 1 100.0 Ruins of Lordaeron Hunter 2 0 2 100.0 Ruins of Lordaeron Mage 4 0 4 100.0 Ruins of Lordaeron Paladin (DPS) 4 0 4 100.0 Ruins of Lordaeron Paladin (Heal) 5 1 6 83.3 Ruins of Lordaeron Priest (DPS) 0 1 1 0.0 Ruins of Lordaeron Priest (Heal) 9 0 9 100.0 Ruins of Lordaeron Rogue 4 0 4 100.0 Ruins of Lordaeron Shaman (DPS) 5 0 5 100.0 Ruins of Lordaeron Shaman (Heal) 2 1 3 66.7 Ruins of Lordaeron Warlock 5 1 6 83.3 Ruins of Lordaeron Warrior 4 1 5 80.0 ------------------------------------------------------- The Ring of Valor DeathKnight 6 3 9 66.7 The Ring of Valor Druid (DPS) 2 0 2 100.0 The Ring of Valor Druid (Heal) 5 1 6 83.3 The Ring of Valor Hunter 4 2 6 66.7 The Ring of Valor Mage 3 3 6 50.0 The Ring of Valor Paladin (DPS) 1 2 3 33.3 The Ring of Valor Paladin (Heal) 4 8 12 33.3 The Ring of Valor Priest (DPS) 0 2 2 0.0 The Ring of Valor Priest (Heal) 4 2 6 66.7 The Ring of Valor Rogue 2 3 5 40.0 The Ring of Valor Shaman (DPS) 1 6 7 14.3 The Ring of Valor Shaman (Heal) 4 2 6 66.7 The Ring of Valor Warlock 3 2 5 60.0 The Ring of Valor Warrior 5 3 8 62.5
So yea...that's what I got...the armory is pretty easy...I wrote all of the stuff to pull all the data in just the last couple of days. It took hardly any time to pull down the full game history for our team. I'm expanding it more to pull down stats/gear/specs for all of the players involved...then I'll be able to do some more detailed analysis. I wish more information about each game was available but the armory only presents damage and healing statistics. =(
What ya'll think?
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05-15-2010 #2
Re: Team Stats (yay data mining ze armory)
Very cool, nice work. Sure gives you alot to chew on.
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Re: Team Stats (yay data mining ze armory)
Yea I was discussing it with some of the guys and it's made us really think about what we should be trying to do on certain maps and/or against certain opponents.
Originally Posted by Spammer
I also ran it for a few other teams on our battlegroup so I can look at their numbers and try to see what their weaknesses are. =) Pulling down the data is quick and simple and I've got all the queries saved. =)
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Re: Team Stats (yay data mining ze armory)
Is there any way i can get a copy of your program to run for my own teams? That would rock!
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Re: Team Stats (yay data mining ze armory)
I don't have it as a distributable thing...plus I'd have to distribute a backup of the SQL Server database and you'd have to one of those... I'd be glad to run it for anyone's team and give the numbers for them though...just need team size, realm name, and team name. Originally Posted by Mirithal
I'm expanding it now to pull down stats/equipment/specs for all of the players it finds...and then I'm just going to unleash it on all the teams in the arena ladder. The biggest problems to overcome aren't technical at all...they have more to do with detecting if the character is logged in PVP gear (fairly easy by how much resil is present) but also which specs are the PVP ones. I'll probably just pull both specs/glyphs for each player so I can sort it out later on the query side. But the gear is a bigger problem because if someone is logged in PVE gear it's less useful. I'll probably keep multiple gear sets for each character in my database so I can hopefully identify the right ones...if all but a few pieces are the same I'll know that's just an update to existing set rather than a new set.
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Re: Team Stats (yay data mining ze armory)
So I got a PM from someone asking me to run the numbers for his 3v3 team... I've been continuing to expand both my collection and my reporting. I'll soon be pulling down snapshots of gear/spec/stats as I scan the teams/games... Then I'll be letting it run pretty much continuously across all teams in all ladders on all battlegroups (US only for now...dunno how many changes in the XMLs for EU armory). So soon I'll be able to answer a lot of the random questions like "What percentage of holy paladins above 2K playing TSG spec 3/3 into Sacred Cleansing? ...or spec 2/3...or 1/3...or 0/3?"
Anyway, I've also made a program do pull the team report and format everything for this forum without me having to do it by hand like I did before...so here's an example I've done for the PM request...I've anonymized the names (he'll know who they are).
A lot of the same information as before...a few abbreviations to note are that "ddpdt" is the "damage done per damage taken" metric. The "dtpm" in the opponent class analysis is "damage taken per minute"...this show how much damage you're putting into those classes.
For what it's worth...this team is playing Disc / RDruid / Arms...
Map Statistics
Code:map won loss total win_pct avg_length avg_length_win avg_length_loss =========================================================================================== All Maps 123 91 214 57.50 189 213 156 Blade's Edge Arena 22 20 42 52.40 172 217 122 Dalaran Sewers 32 20 52 61.50 192 199 181 Nagrand Arena 31 15 46 67.40 188 207 148 Ruins of Lordaeron 17 12 29 58.60 227 236 214 The Ring of Valor 21 24 45 46.70 178 222 140
Player Statistics
Code:player_name win_avg_dmg win_ddpdt win_died loss_avg_dmg loss_ddpdt loss_dmg_pct ====================================================================================== Bub 8,971 0.24 0 3,731 0.09 41.60 Jokr 55,922 4.86 0 14,630 0.41 26.20 Jotrap 7,414 0.28 Mcb 41,466 1.10 0 28,958 0.71 69.80 Mri 3,132 0.21 0 1,484 0.06 47.40 Mthal 3,896 0.25 0 1,422 0.05 36.50 Ryd 67,320 1.96 0 59,515 1.37 88.40 Shrap 6,926 0.53 0 684 0.02 9.90 Shty 3,345 0.08
Player Statistics by Map
Code:player_name map win_dmg win_ddpdt loss_dmg loss_ddpdt loss_dmg_pct ======================================================================================== Bub Blade's Edge Arena 9,768 0.24 4,540 0.09 46.50 Bub Dalaran Sewers 8,284 0.23 3,051 0.07 36.80 Bub Nagrand Arena 9,080 0.34 4,187 0.12 46.10 Bub Ruins of Lordaeron 6,849 0.21 3,489 0.08 50.90 Bub The Ring of Valor 10,896 0.21 3,786 0.08 34.70 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jokr Blade's Edge Arena 818 0.02 Jokr Dalaran Sewers 42,044 7.47 49,050 1.40 116.70 Jokr Nagrand Arena 67,450 4.12 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jotrap Blade's Edge Arena 10,976 0.20 Jotrap Dalaran Sewers 4,561 0.67 Jotrap Nagrand Arena 10,673 0.30 Jotrap The Ring of Valor 6,808 0.26 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mcb Blade's Edge Arena 47,447 0.97 38,424 0.74 81.00 Mcb Dalaran Sewers 28,720 1.05 30,967 0.78 107.80 Mcb Nagrand Arena 47,198 1.03 27,864 0.64 59.00 Mcb Ruins of Lordaeron 48,958 2.19 20,651 0.53 42.20 Mcb The Ring of Valor 38,389 1.13 25,058 0.78 65.30 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mri Blade's Edge Arena 3,623 0.21 783 0.03 21.60 Mri Dalaran Sewers 3,279 0.21 1,320 0.07 40.30 Mri Nagrand Arena 3,260 0.23 1,227 0.06 37.60 Mri Ruins of Lordaeron 2,354 0.22 1,361 0.07 57.80 Mri The Ring of Valor 2,978 0.18 2,245 0.07 75.40 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mthal Blade's Edge Arena 3,846 0.32 1,888 0.08 49.10 Mthal Dalaran Sewers 4,998 0.36 2,017 0.07 40.40 Mthal Nagrand Arena 2,398 0.21 956 0.08 39.90 Mthal Ruins of Lordaeron 3,678 0.17 382 0.01 10.40 Mthal The Ring of Valor 3,698 0.16 1,084 0.05 29.30 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ryd Blade's Edge Arena 66,120 2.39 60,932 1.62 92.20 Ryd Dalaran Sewers 69,259 2.21 64,705 1.40 93.40 Ryd Nagrand Arena 66,832 1.61 59,734 0.99 89.40 Ryd Ruins of Lordaeron 69,215 1.51 59,757 1.35 86.30 Ryd The Ring of Valor 64,966 2.50 52,741 1.65 81.20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shrap Blade's Edge Arena 1,448 0.03 Shrap Dalaran Sewers 4,696 0.20 0 0.00 0.00 Shrap Nagrand Arena 8,778 1.97 Shrap The Ring of Valor 0 0.00 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shty Blade's Edge Arena 4,166 0.11 Shty Dalaran Sewers 5,630 0.11 Shty Nagrand Arena 719 0.02 Shty The Ring of Valor 504 0.01
Opponent Composition Statistics
Code:heal dps won lost total win_pct avg_length avg_length_win avg_length_loss ================================================================================== 0 3 1 1 2 50.00 135 114 157 1 2 95 59 154 61.70 179 200 144 2 1 4 3 7 57.10 376 345 417
Opponent Composition Statistics (minimum 3 games played)
Code:comp win loss total win_pct =================================================================== Hunter / Paladin (Heal) / Shaman (DPS) 6 8 14 42.90 Mage / Priest (Heal) / Rogue 11 3 14 78.60 Druid (Heal) / Paladin (DPS) / Warrior 6 7 13 46.20 DeathKnight / Paladin (Heal) / Warrior 8 3 11 72.70 DeathKnight / Hunter / Paladin (Heal) 5 4 9 55.60 Priest (DPS) / Rogue / Shaman (Heal) 5 4 9 55.60 Druid (Heal) / Warlock / Warrior 5 2 7 71.40 Mage / Priest (Heal) / Shaman (DPS) 4 3 7 57.10 Paladin (Heal) / Shaman (DPS) / Warrior 6 1 7 85.70 Rogue / Shaman (Heal) / Warlock 5 0 5 100.00 Hunter / Paladin (DPS) / Priest (Heal) 2 2 4 50.00 Hunter / Paladin (Heal) / Priest (DPS) 0 3 3 0.00 Priest (DPS) / Shaman (Heal) / Warlock 3 0 3 100.00
Opponent Class Statistics
Code:class won lost total win_pct win_dtpm loss_dtpm =============================================================== DeathKnight 21 11 32 65.60 21,358 13,230 Druid (DPS) 1 3 4 25.00 8,119 7,714 Druid (Heal) 22 18 40 55.00 12,244 3,514 Hunter 19 19 38 50.00 24,012 10,878 Mage 23 12 35 65.70 9,263 2,842 Paladin (DPS) 11 14 25 44.00 15,010 10,862 Paladin (Heal) 33 23 56 58.90 9,787 3,106 Priest (DPS) 13 10 23 56.50 29,300 13,631 Priest (Heal) 26 15 41 63.40 22,315 20,466 Rogue 27 13 40 67.50 23,549 16,104 Shaman (DPS) 21 14 35 60.00 20,329 21,429 Shaman (Heal) 22 9 31 71.00 5,571 2,071 Warlock 25 8 33 75.80 30,341 44,359 Warrior 36 20 56 64.30 26,018 21,860
Opponent Class Statistics by Map
Code:map class wins losses total win_pct win_dtpm loss_dtpm ====================================================================================== Blade's Edge Arena DeathKnight 4 3 7 57.10 22,598 27,320 Blade's Edge Arena Druid (Heal) 4 3 7 57.10 16,665 8,494 Blade's Edge Arena Hunter 4 3 7 57.10 26,532 13,851 Blade's Edge Arena Mage 3 1 4 75.00 15,073 7,272 Blade's Edge Arena Paladin (DPS) 3 5 8 37.50 15,129 8,788 Blade's Edge Arena Paladin (Heal) 8 5 13 61.50 10,207 6,587 Blade's Edge Arena Priest (DPS) 6 1 7 85.70 37,783 6,230 Blade's Edge Arena Priest (Heal) 2 4 6 33.30 46,083 24,367 Blade's Edge Arena Rogue 3 2 5 60.00 24,884 31,977 Blade's Edge Arena Shaman (DPS) 3 2 5 60.00 26,184 38,594 Blade's Edge Arena Shaman (Heal) 5 2 7 71.40 6,548 2,253 Blade's Edge Arena Warlock 4 0 4 100.00 47,436 -1 Blade's Edge Arena Warrior 5 8 13 38.50 41,228 34,491 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dalaran Sewers DeathKnight 6 2 8 75.00 38,432 18,038 Dalaran Sewers Druid (DPS) 0 1 1 0.00 -1 14,877 Dalaran Sewers Druid (Heal) 4 6 10 40.00 21,108 7,781 Dalaran Sewers Hunter 5 5 10 50.00 29,403 21,759 Dalaran Sewers Mage 8 1 9 88.90 10,950 4,243 Dalaran Sewers Paladin (DPS) 2 4 6 33.30 11,718 10,830 Dalaran Sewers Paladin (Heal) 7 6 13 53.80 11,973 4,489 Dalaran Sewers Priest (DPS) 3 3 6 50.00 45,412 24,468 Dalaran Sewers Priest (Heal) 11 2 13 84.60 28,442 27,603 Dalaran Sewers Rogue 9 3 12 75.00 32,404 30,385 Dalaran Sewers Shaman (DPS) 4 4 8 50.00 19,086 33,492 Dalaran Sewers Shaman (Heal) 8 2 10 80.00 7,930 2,162 Dalaran Sewers Warlock 9 4 13 69.20 38,957 46,520 Dalaran Sewers Warrior 8 5 13 61.50 34,985 31,802 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nagrand Arena DeathKnight 6 1 7 85.70 34,281 4,544 Nagrand Arena Druid (DPS) 0 1 1 0.00 -1 3,343 Nagrand Arena Druid (Heal) 5 2 7 71.40 16,532 9,747 Nagrand Arena Hunter 6 1 7 85.70 36,198 12,425 Nagrand Arena Mage 4 3 7 57.10 9,433 3,250 Nagrand Arena Paladin (DPS) 1 1 2 50.00 18,166 11,479 Nagrand Arena Paladin (Heal) 9 2 11 81.80 13,874 737 Nagrand Arena Priest (DPS) 2 1 3 66.70 20,860 33,620 Nagrand Arena Priest (Heal) 3 3 6 50.00 21,393 12,642 Nagrand Arena Rogue 8 2 10 80.00 34,187 18,972 Nagrand Arena Shaman (DPS) 6 1 7 85.70 25,304 6,884 Nagrand Arena Shaman (Heal) 6 0 6 100.00 6,105 -1 Nagrand Arena Warlock 5 1 6 83.30 38,907 43,250 Nagrand Arena Warrior 11 2 13 84.60 31,794 63,398 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ruins of Lordaeron DeathKnight 2 1 3 66.70 11,426 39,097 Ruins of Lordaeron Druid (DPS) 1 0 1 100.00 11,271 -1 Ruins of Lordaeron Druid (Heal) 3 2 5 60.00 12,591 1,822 Ruins of Lordaeron Hunter 0 4 4 0.00 -1 16,823 Ruins of Lordaeron Mage 5 2 7 71.40 7,792 487 Ruins of Lordaeron Paladin (DPS) 3 0 3 100.00 32,703 -1 Ruins of Lordaeron Paladin (Heal) 3 4 7 42.90 11,896 4,691 Ruins of Lordaeron Priest (DPS) 2 2 4 50.00 37,809 17,947 Ruins of Lordaeron Priest (Heal) 7 3 10 70.00 23,590 39,988 Ruins of Lordaeron Rogue 5 1 6 83.30 26,463 10,182 Ruins of Lordaeron Shaman (DPS) 4 3 7 57.10 22,931 29,396 Ruins of Lordaeron Shaman (Heal) 1 0 1 100.00 3,976 -1 Ruins of Lordaeron Warlock 1 1 2 50.00 45,350 59,279 Ruins of Lordaeron Warrior 5 1 6 83.30 39,402 5,096 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Ring of Valor DeathKnight 3 4 7 42.90 22,908 15,693 The Ring of Valor Druid (DPS) 0 1 1 0.00 -1 10,357 The Ring of Valor Druid (Heal) 6 5 11 54.50 14,583 2,042 The Ring of Valor Hunter 4 6 10 40.00 36,795 13,822 The Ring of Valor Mage 3 5 8 37.50 17,043 4,695 The Ring of Valor Paladin (DPS) 2 4 6 33.30 13,188 27,666 The Ring of Valor Paladin (Heal) 6 6 12 50.00 15,426 2,869 The Ring of Valor Priest (DPS) 0 3 3 0.00 -1 21,164 The Ring of Valor Priest (Heal) 3 3 6 50.00 20,322 8,865 The Ring of Valor Rogue 2 5 7 28.60 29,408 18,675 The Ring of Valor Shaman (DPS) 4 4 8 50.00 32,872 23,816 The Ring of Valor Shaman (Heal) 2 5 7 28.60 8,343 4,593 The Ring of Valor Warlock 6 2 8 75.00 30,862 62,112 The Ring of Valor Warrior 7 4 11 63.60 32,589 25,766
My quick analysis of this team would be that they use LoS well...as seen by having their best maps be Nagrand and Dalaran and their map being RoV. =)
They seem to be solid against a lot the major comps...RLS (5-0), RMP (11-3), TSG (8-3)...but they are even or struggle some against hunter teams...PHD (5-4), Beastcleave (6-8), Ret/MM (2-2)... They maybe struggle a bit against some shadowpriest comps.... Spriest/Rogue/Rsham is 5-4 and Spriest/Hunter/Hpala is 0-3.
All in all, the worst specs for them to face seem to be DPS paladins, hunters, and tree druids.
Looking at opponents by map, there are a few cases (Warriors on Nagrand, Warlocks on RoV) where that class takes much more damage in a loss than a win...so they're doing MORE damage when they lose than when they win in these instances. Only they know their approach against those classes on those maps, but it's possible they're tunneling a bit too hard and need to make some more switches. It's hard to say from this data without more insight from the team's members.
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Re: Team Stats (yay data mining ze armory)
I got another PM...2v2 stats this time... As before...a few abbreviations to note are that "ddpdt" is the "damage done per damage taken" metric. The "dtpm" in the opponent class analysis is "damage taken per minute"...this show how much damage you're putting into those classes.
This one is Hunter / Healer (Priest)...
Map Statistics
Code:map won loss total win_pct avg_length avg_length_win avg_length_loss =========================================================================================== All Maps 118 89 207 57.00 182 164 206 Blade's Edge Arena 24 17 41 58.50 178 163 199 Dalaran Sewers 31 18 49 63.30 194 176 226 Nagrand Arena 19 21 40 47.50 208 161 249 Ruins of Lordaeron 27 20 47 57.40 173 171 175 The Ring of Valor 17 13 30 56.70 150 136 168
Player Statistics
Code:player_name win_avg_dmg win_ddpdt win_died loss_avg_dmg loss_ddpdt loss_dmg_pct ====================================================================================== Priest 10,144 0.65 1 4,541 0.20 44.80 Hunter 43,118 2.12 1 39,938 1.29 92.60
Player Statistics by Map
Code:player_name map win_dmg win_ddpdt loss_dmg loss_ddpdt loss_dmg_pct ======================================================================================== Priest Blade's Edge Arena 7,875 0.43 3,252 0.14 41.30 Priest Dalaran Sewers 8,070 0.45 4,446 0.18 55.10 Priest Nagrand Arena 11,704 0.88 3,644 0.17 31.10 Priest Ruins of Lordaeron 14,290 1.10 6,180 0.23 43.20 Priest The Ring of Valor 9,075 0.70 6,846 0.44 75.40 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hunter Blade's Edge Arena 45,203 2.21 35,306 1.35 78.10 Hunter Dalaran Sewers 49,788 2.31 37,608 1.10 75.50 Hunter Nagrand Arena 45,715 2.09 39,239 1.29 85.80 Hunter Ruins of Lordaeron 30,862 1.82 45,422 1.29 147.20 Hunter The Ring of Valor 44,905 2.04 44,386 1.69 98.80
Opponent Composition Statistics
Code:heal dps won lost total win_pct avg_length avg_length_win avg_length_loss ================================================================================== 0 2 33 23 56 58.90 97 108 82 1 1 75 62 137 54.70 225 198 258
Opponent Composition Statistics (minimum 3 games played)
Code:comp win loss total win_pct ======================================================== Priest (Heal) / Rogue 12 11 23 52.20 Paladin (Heal) / Warrior 7 10 17 41.20 Priest (DPS) / Rogue 7 7 14 50.00 Druid (Heal) / Warrior 8 1 9 88.90 Shaman (Heal) / Warlock 1 8 9 11.10 DeathKnight / Druid (Heal) 5 3 8 62.50 Druid (Heal) / Warlock 7 1 8 87.50 Mage / Rogue 6 1 7 85.70 Priest (Heal) / Warlock 3 4 7 42.90 DeathKnight / Paladin (Heal) 5 1 6 83.30 Druid (DPS) / Priest (Heal) 3 3 6 50.00 Mage / Priest (Heal) 3 2 5 60.00 Priest (Heal) / Warrior 4 1 5 80.00 Paladin (Heal) / Warlock 1 4 5 20.00 Mage / Warlock 1 3 4 25.00 Priest (Heal) / Shaman (DPS) 3 1 4 75.00 Druid (DPS) / Rogue 2 2 4 50.00 Hunter / Priest (Heal) 2 2 4 50.00 Hunter / Shaman (Heal) 2 2 4 50.00 Mage / Priest (DPS) 3 1 4 75.00 Druid (DPS) / Shaman (Heal) 1 2 3 33.30 Rogue / Shaman (DPS) 1 2 3 33.30
Opponent Class Statistics
Code:class won lost total win_pct win_dtpm loss_dtpm =============================================================== DeathKnight 15 5 20 75.00 20,538 28,217 Druid (DPS) 8 8 16 50.00 27,057 23,951 Druid (Heal) 23 7 30 76.70 13,680 10,902 Hunter 7 6 13 53.80 24,158 30,394 Mage 16 8 24 66.70 12,678 12,362 Paladin (DPS) 8 2 10 80.00 16,425 16,337 Paladin (Heal) 13 16 29 44.80 8,890 4,943 Priest (DPS) 13 12 25 52.00 10,907 6,246 Priest (Heal) 32 24 56 57.10 11,910 9,478 Rogue 30 25 55 54.50 17,813 21,295 Shaman (DPS) 8 7 15 53.30 10,891 10,645 Shaman (Heal) 7 15 22 31.80 11,615 14,035 Warlock 15 22 37 40.50 26,831 13,898 Warrior 20 12 32 62.50 33,899 27,744
Opponent Class Statistics by Map
Code:map class wins losses total win_pct win_dtpm loss_dtpm ====================================================================================== Blade's Edge Arena DeathKnight 3 1 4 75.00 30,582 29,033 Blade's Edge Arena Druid (DPS) 0 4 4 0.00 -1 24,012 Blade's Edge Arena Druid (Heal) 6 0 6 100.00 17,340 -1 Blade's Edge Arena Hunter 1 2 3 33.30 25,182 34,755 Blade's Edge Arena Mage 5 2 7 71.40 13,969 8,431 Blade's Edge Arena Paladin (DPS) 2 0 2 100.00 17,519 -1 Blade's Edge Arena Paladin (Heal) 3 1 4 75.00 14,852 5,363 Blade's Edge Arena Priest (DPS) 2 2 4 50.00 7,931 10,960 Blade's Edge Arena Priest (Heal) 4 6 10 40.00 21,824 17,527 Blade's Edge Arena Rogue 6 7 13 46.20 19,382 18,517 Blade's Edge Arena Shaman (DPS) 3 1 4 75.00 33,733 4,397 Blade's Edge Arena Shaman (Heal) 0 3 3 0.00 -1 16,469 Blade's Edge Arena Warlock 4 3 7 57.10 40,653 11,864 Blade's Edge Arena Warrior 3 1 4 75.00 59,325 28,859 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dalaran Sewers DeathKnight 4 2 6 66.70 50,190 25,100 Dalaran Sewers Druid (DPS) 2 1 3 66.70 36,289 35,793 Dalaran Sewers Druid (Heal) 9 1 10 90.00 19,029 18,242 Dalaran Sewers Hunter 2 1 3 66.70 38,760 53,566 Dalaran Sewers Mage 3 2 5 60.00 15,830 17,022 Dalaran Sewers Paladin (DPS) 2 0 2 100.00 28,273 -1 Dalaran Sewers Paladin (Heal) 3 5 8 37.50 13,236 6,701 Dalaran Sewers Priest (DPS) 3 2 5 60.00 18,641 3,353 Dalaran Sewers Priest (Heal) 8 4 12 66.70 13,412 3,828 Dalaran Sewers Rogue 7 4 11 63.60 37,842 26,965 Dalaran Sewers Shaman (DPS) 2 3 5 40.00 15,141 8,692 Dalaran Sewers Shaman (Heal) 2 1 3 66.70 9,601 2,602 Dalaran Sewers Warlock 4 5 9 44.40 28,376 26,365 Dalaran Sewers Warrior 9 3 12 75.00 38,573 31,173 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nagrand Arena DeathKnight 0 1 1 0.00 -1 43,810 Nagrand Arena Druid (DPS) 3 2 5 60.00 63,334 34,838 Nagrand Arena Druid (Heal) 5 2 7 71.40 14,084 5,552 Nagrand Arena Hunter 1 1 2 50.00 39,854 36,848 Nagrand Arena Mage 1 1 2 50.00 16,300 19,459 Nagrand Arena Paladin (DPS) 1 1 2 50.00 17,603 25,071 Nagrand Arena Paladin (Heal) 1 3 4 25.00 4,182 5,796 Nagrand Arena Priest (DPS) 3 4 7 42.90 18,474 12,075 Nagrand Arena Priest (Heal) 5 5 10 50.00 11,686 13,095 Nagrand Arena Rogue 4 5 9 44.40 29,333 31,106 Nagrand Arena Shaman (DPS) 0 2 2 0.00 -1 35,991 Nagrand Arena Shaman (Heal) 2 4 6 33.30 27,611 16,266 Nagrand Arena Warlock 3 5 8 37.50 39,985 14,120 Nagrand Arena Warrior 3 2 5 60.00 22,497 27,320 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ruins of Lordaeron DeathKnight 4 1 5 80.00 14,562 57,394 Ruins of Lordaeron Druid (DPS) 2 1 3 66.70 21,100 33,421 Ruins of Lordaeron Druid (Heal) 3 3 6 50.00 15,875 10,843 Ruins of Lordaeron Hunter 3 2 5 60.00 27,203 68,733 Ruins of Lordaeron Mage 4 1 5 80.00 28,096 6,936 Ruins of Lordaeron Paladin (DPS) 3 1 4 75.00 42,490 27,780 Ruins of Lordaeron Paladin (Heal) 4 6 10 40.00 11,432 4,521 Ruins of Lordaeron Priest (DPS) 2 2 4 50.00 21,540 4,452 Ruins of Lordaeron Priest (Heal) 7 4 11 63.60 18,682 14,783 Ruins of Lordaeron Rogue 8 4 12 66.70 25,494 29,461 Ruins of Lordaeron Shaman (DPS) 2 0 2 100.00 6,151 -1 Ruins of Lordaeron Shaman (Heal) 2 3 5 40.00 13,914 21,107 Ruins of Lordaeron Warlock 1 6 7 14.30 57,966 16,750 Ruins of Lordaeron Warrior 4 4 8 50.00 63,255 55,352 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Ring of Valor DeathKnight 4 0 4 100.00 43,369 -1 The Ring of Valor Druid (DPS) 1 0 1 100.00 31,224 -1 The Ring of Valor Druid (Heal) 0 1 1 0.00 -1 32,562 The Ring of Valor Mage 3 2 5 60.00 18,233 21,988 The Ring of Valor Paladin (Heal) 2 1 3 66.70 2,444 1,694 The Ring of Valor Priest (DPS) 3 2 5 60.00 21,790 12,974 The Ring of Valor Priest (Heal) 8 5 13 61.50 15,022 6,490 The Ring of Valor Rogue 5 5 10 50.00 26,901 43,076 The Ring of Valor Shaman (DPS) 1 1 2 50.00 25,548 2,594 The Ring of Valor Shaman (Heal) 1 4 5 20.00 13,237 19,989 The Ring of Valor Warlock 3 3 6 50.00 42,366 25,491 The Ring of Valor Warrior 1 2 3 33.30 85,239 20,597
Highest number of games played on Dalaran and Ruins...lowest number of games played on RoV...how do you get that luck?
Hunter seems to have solid damage...maintaining a respectable 90+% of damage in losses...so I would guess they don't lose much because he gets locked down hard. He has respectable damage done per damage taken as well... Interesting data point on ruins...average damage is higher in a loss than a win. Damage falls the most on Dalaran...which is also their best map by win percentage.
Looking at high level compositions...against healer teams they're 75 and 62...but the average win is 198 seconds and the average loss is 258 seconds... Aside from heavy pressure forcing the hunter through all his major cooldowns (mainly deterrence), it seems like they should have decent longevity...why can't they win longer games? Does the priest oom or die?
For opponent comps, look at the warrior teams...7 and 10 with pally healer...8 and 1 with druid healer...1 and 8 with shaman healer...4 and 1 with priest healer... Pally is going to be tough with magic dispel and freedom to keep the warrior on target. I would guess tremor and purge are giving the shaman teams the advantage...purged shields and negated fears are huge. Also of interest is the shaman is the one healer where the priest's offensive dispel is not as powerful. Dispelling hots against the druid may help them a ton...dispelling sacred shield and blessings and hands may be helping them a ton against pallies...similarly against priest healer. Without absorbs and earth shield a waste to dispel, maybe the priest should be offensive via dots and damage rather than dispels.
They're destroying Mage/Rogue but splitting Spriest/Rogue...damn Psychic Horror...
All in all, they're killing DKs, tree druids (go go dispel), dps paladins (lolz dps pallies in 2s...esp against hunter/priest), and mages (um, hunter?). They're weaker against shaman healers (tremor and offensive dispel not as effective) and warlocks. Looking at resto shamans, they take more damage when you lose to them than when you beat them...so they're probably good at LoSing the hunter's damage and living...maybe going on them isn't such a great idea...they've never beaten a resto shaman on Blade's Edge where he can bail off the bridge...but their second worst map is RoV where the shaman should have no escape. Looking at the warlocks overall and map by map, we see that pressuring the locks seems to work well as they take almost twice as much damage in your wins compared to losses. The ability to pressure the warlock is highlighted on Blade's Edge...and you can see it starkly as you do almost quadruple the damage to them in wins. When you fail the pressure the warlock, you lose. See a similar difference on Ruins...they take almost 58K damage per minute when you win...but only 16.75K per minute when you lose.
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06-03-2010 #8
Re: Team Stats (yay data mining ze armory)
^ That's the data for my 2v2.
Thanks a lot for the analysis, very insightful, confirms some info on which comps we need to work on and sheds some light stuff I hadn't even thought about... I'm surprised we have such a high % win ration on Dalaran, but so low on Nagrand for instance.
Good stuff dude.
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Re: Team Stats (yay data mining ze armory)
Dalaran is a smaller map than Nagrand...your priest may have better positioning on it compared to Nagrand...you're closer to LoS from a random spot on Dalaran than you are from a random spot on Nagrand. Fear paths can also be a bit more devestating on Dalaran. It's also harder for you to overextend and pull him into a bad position on Dalaran compared to Nagrand. Originally Posted by Sirp
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06-07-2010 #10
Re: Team Stats (yay data mining ze armory)
Really interesting work and may provide pointers for teams looking to squeeze every last ounce out of their performances. I would just add from a statistician's point of view - your sample sets/population of the raw data are far too limited to draw any sensible conclusions. You'd ideally need around a minimum of 30 games on each map, and even then I'd be concerned that the conclusions were skewed since many games could be done on the same night, against the same team where they were consistently better than you, or you were tired, or ...
Just be careful into how you interperet your data with limited samples is all - I am sure you were aware of this beforehand in any case.
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